Everything is Spiritual – The Successful Mind Podcast Ep. 152

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(upbeat music) – [David] Successful people learn how to make their mind work for them. I’m David Neagle and this is “The Successful Mind Podcast.” (upbeat music) – Hey everyone, this is DTM, welcome to inside the episode. Today we’re going inside Episode 152: “Everything is Spiritual.” David, how are you doing? – Great how are you T? – I’m very well. So today I say that all the time, I’m very well, I need to come up with a new tagline. – We need to just stop asking each other how we are doing.
– We should how are you doing? Yeah, we’re good. They know this, you people know this. No we wouldn’t be, seriously. Alright, moving on, in this episode and I’m gonna apologize ahead of time. I don’t know how these questions are gonna come out, we’ll give them a run. You talked about how enlightenment removes duality of man. And you also said that we know the truth about everything. And understanding that good and bad are all encompassing. So that leads us to the
bulk of this episode, titled, “Everything is Spiritual.” Can you explain again that dualistic nature that you refer to in the beginning of this episode and what that means? – Yeah, so well the idea is that so we live in, we live in a physical dimension and in the physical dimension, everything has an opposite and up down, in out, top bottom. And then we have you know, the idea of right and wrong, good and bad, you know, rich and poor. Like there’s an opposite to everything. Nothing in the universe was created with just one side to it. But the human being has the ability to perceive different sides. So like we can perceive fractions, we can perceive halves, but nothing’s created that way. So if we understand that we are when we claim something like if you say, I’m broke, right? Well, that’s not true. That’s not actually true. That is your perception of one side of what you’re experiencing right now. You might say, but listen to me, I don’t have any money in my bank. You may not have any money in your bank. But there’s money in the bank, right? The money is here. It’s already attached to what you’re doing. I know, it sounds crazy for people to listen to this, right? But here’s the thing, because they can’t
perceive the other side. They don’t activate the other side and then realize in their reality that money, but it’s already there. Like I show people how to do this all the time, and they turn their financial situation
around instantaneously. So the truth is that everything is already here. The reason for the lesson is to kind of break down that yes, I can see how everything
has another side to it. But if we never really think about that, then we get stuck with the idea of here’s a problem. I don’t know what the solution is. And then we make decisions based from that place. But if you focus on the idea that there is another side to it, you will then become aware of it. – Yeah, just entertaining the idea is power in itself. I mean, the fact that when you’re in a situation and things may look grim, stopping and taking pause and realizing, okay, this is my experience at the moment, but I know that this is also here as well, that helps move people towards breaking through it. And they’re gonna have to do it again and again and again. I thought you just had to do it once, that was my foolish perception. – A lot of people think that, yeah. – But yeah, know that’s great. You also talked in the episode about energy and how it just is, you know, it’s omnipresent. It’s all around and I loved how you talked about the cyclical and the rhythmical nature of life. And from a scientific viewpoint, it totally makes sense. Life is constantly moving in and out of form, which, in essence, you said is the perpetual law of transmutation. Which you spoke about at length back in Episode 100: “Delay is the deadliest form of denial.” I encourage you to go back and listen to that for sure. How can we use the law of perpetual transmutation to help us understand spirituality? – Well, so the law of
perpetual transmutation basically states that all energy is moving from a non-form to a form and then back to a non-form again. So like a great way to visualize this is water. You have water, when you see it in a puddle, it’s in a form. As it heats up, it evaporates turns into an air or gas and then it’s in a non-form. So it’s the non-physical form. It’s in an evaporative form, – But it’s still there. – It’s a gas now, but it’s still there. As it gets cold, it condenses, as it condenses, it then moves back into form again. That condensation causes it to be affected by the law of gravity and it gets pulled toward the center of the earth when it gets heavy enough, right? But then it immediately starts the cycle all over again, right? So everything, all knowledge is energy moving into form on a consistent basis. But the form that it’s moving into is determined by
whatever the code is, that tells it what to turn into. even for water, it’s H2O, right? It’s it’s hydrogen and oxygen, right? Was one part hydrogen, two parts oxygen, now you have water. But if you take one
part of the oxygen away, you don’t have water anymore, right? So it is a code that
actually creates everything. We have genes inside of us. There’s genes inside of an acorn, there’s genes inside of a salmon. It tells that energy to be a salmon or an acorn. It’s all the same energy. So if we’re going to use it. We understand this. One of the forms that it’s taking as it moves through us is not just our body, but the images that we have in our mind. We have a mental faculty
called imagination. Imagination is our ability to take something that’s not here and build an image of it in our mind, we use our will, which is our ability to focus to hold that image. So it’s just like we’re taking a picture, but we’re holding it in our mind, we see the image of what it is that we desire, right? And then we can take other forms or actions in life to make that picture a reality. That is moving something from non-form into into a form again. That is the act of creation, right? When two human beings have intercourse and a sperm hits an egg, right? The sperm and the egg are both they both contain information, that information what it does is it takes the energy that’s passing through the mother, because mom is holding on to the embryo. And it tells that energy what to turn it into. So as it passes through the mother, it takes that energy and it tells it exactly what to turn into. And it starts to form the pattern of a little person. – Sure. – Right?
– Yeah. – It first, it’s turning into the form of a little girl. But then if it has the other chromosome, it turns into a boy. But it all starts out, right? In its morphology, it
starts off as a girl. But when the other chromosome kicks in it changes it and says, no make a penis not a vagina. – Right.
– Right? But it wasn’t there. It wasn’t there. The food that the mother is eating is energy. The water the mother is eating his energy. The emotional state that she in, is energy and that part of her body is telling that energy to turn into a little baby boy or a little baby girl. She also energy in our body, that’s having cells
reproduce by the billions, every minute or whatever it is. So there’s all these different mechanisms going on inside of us. And our imagination is one, where we can consciously engage the information that’s in the universe. And anything that we can see in our mind we can create in our physical world. Because the built the idea that we’re actually seeing in our mind, is taking chaos in the universe and giving it order. All physical forms are a form of order, the information is in a chaotic state. But as it flows into something that can give it order, it becomes that order. And then you have the physical thing. And human beings could
do that consciously. – Yeah, yeah, that’s amazing. It’s what helps like looking around the studio all these things that are here, was because of those things you just said it’s all energy. And someone was able to frame it in their mind and build these things. At a moment the other day when I was sitting there, getting my email off my phone and I think, you know, 20 years ago, I didn’t even have email. – Right.
– Right now all of a sudden, I can just pick up this electronic brick and I have everything at my disposal. It just blows my mind when you think about all those sorts of things and then it came from somebody’s head, but it was here all along, like all those things and we talked about this a lot. But all those things were here. It’s very, I don’t know, inception shit, I guess that’s what I’m at. So and that brings me
to this next question, you know, the human being, is the human being life in and of itself or did life exist prior to that? That was the question that you juxtaposed in this particular episode. And you talked about how we are a vessel that carries us through
various life experiences. And then I love what you said, we don’t have a soul. We are a soul, can you explain again, how we have our own experience, when it seems that we’re sharing those experiences with those around us? – Yeah, so we’ve got, we have five senses, those five senses are constantly taking in information that is around us. Our brain is then
perceiving that information. But what information
it’s actually taking in and recognizing is determined by what it is that we’re focused on. We can’t focus on everything that’s happening in this room at the same time. There’s a billion things happening in this room at the same time. But we’re focused on a couple things. That’s all we’re focused on. The meaning that we give to those things is stored in our belief system, our belief system is saying, what do we give like, I use this before, right? The remote control. We know what this means because we gave meaning to it. That’s how it got here. Somebody created this out of a meaning. So I know what this is, I know what the meaning of it is. And if I look at it, I can see what all the little buttons tell me to do. Because I understand all
the little individual, the individual meanings, right? So when I’m doing that, I am focused in on that specific meaning, and that specific causation of whatever that is and I’m attempting to either get or do whatever it is that I’m focused on. But at the same time, you’re doing the same thing, but with different things, right? And Will is doing the same thing with different things. All of it is happening at the same time, but I’m only having the experience that I’m having, right? And here’s the other thing. So there’s a button, there’s number three on here, the way that I feel this button and look at it and see it, may be very different than the way you do. You know what it mean?
– Sure. – It’s all based on how our brain is wired to perceive something. And you said that, you know, that wasn’t my experience. This is how I perceived it. This is how I experienced it and somebody says, well, that’s not how I experienced that I perceive, but it’s all based on that person’s belief system. It doesn’t make it true. It makes it your reality. The truth is everything about it, that’s happening at the same time. But you only perceive it based on what you believe about it, at that time. – Yeah, it’s interesting. So I’m gonna share an experience with you that I had just like yesterday. And it involves watching a limited series on Netflix that just dropped last week. So there’s this series
called “Unbelievable.” And it’s basically about a young woman who’s accused of about lying about a rape and then two female detectives are like investigating similar attacks in a different state. And it’s got like these crazy time jumps and stuff like that. And you know, the girl, this actually happened to the girl. These are based off of true events. So we’re watching that show. And my perception or my filter was so much different than Steph sitting
right next to me, right. So I’m sitting there, I only see what I perceive as blatant male bashing and making the men in the series less than because it’s about rape and men are rapists. They are dressing down the men as far as insubordinate, making them feel like shit. These are just going through my head as I’m watching it to the point where I’m very triggered by it. And then I have a conversation with Steph, she felt none of that. And I had to take a moment and take a step back and think about, you know, it’s clear to me that the state of today, like being a male was wrong, because of all the things with me too and the horrible things that have gone on for generations, like being a white male, I’ve got all these things running through my head. I can’t turn on the TV. I can’t listen to the radio or a podcasts without somebody talking about that. And it makes me feel less. It’s very interesting that I took that experience of, you know, my belief system around these things and projected it into what was happening in the show. Long story short, Steph had a completely
different experience. And I did, so it’s all about it’s fascinating to me how we take things in through our own filter, even though we’re all
having our own experience. We are biased by all
these different things that are coming at us. And I just thought when you were talking about that, in the episode, it really hit me like, we are having a shared experience, but how I perceived to look at things is very much different how you would or how Will would or how Steph would or how anybody else would. You’ll probably watch
that show and be like, I didn’t see any of that. Because I have this feeling you’re a little bit more evolved than I am in that department. I’m sitting there thinking, God, this is rough for me, like I was not having a good time. Great series, totally different when I was watching it. – So just think about it this way. So you’re having this experience, you’re triggered by some things that are happening, right? Steph is having a completely different experience. And both of your experiences are completely based on something that’s not true. They’re actually actors, who are expressing a script, you are pretending.
– Right. – It’s not even real and you’re triggered by it, right? – Yeah. – So it is such a good metaphor because most of life is that way. We perceive something is real and we get triggered by it. It’s representation of something that we already believe. That is touching a sensitive part inside of ourselves. – Yeah, it’s true. Like I think about villains on TV. Like it’s funny, because let’s take Walter White my favorite series of all time is “Breaking Bad.” I absolutely love it. I watch it every year, cover to cover I can’t get enough of it. Steph watched most of that with me and dropped off because she just couldn’t stand how this man who went in with all the right intentions, just basically falls into this corrupt mean horrible human being. She sees him as a villain. I see him as a freaking
hero of heroes, right? But we’re sitting there and you feel that she feels a certain way when she sees him. I feel a certain way
when Joffrey Baratheon from fricking “Game of Thrones” comes on, right? You see these and I actually had to take a moment when I was re-watching some of those shows and be like, dude, that’s an actor playing a role. You don’t have to hate him. Like, if I saw this kid on the street, I’d wanna choke him out, right? But at the same time, it’s like, that is so fascinating that we as humans attach meaning to these people who are entertaining us. And we load them, like we get angry about it. And if it’s for our entertainment. So it’s just fascinating to me, this whole conversation that we had about, you know, spirituality and how we
look at different things and how we take things through our filter. It just blows my mind. – You know the thing is that when we find ourselves being
triggered by something, if we ask ourselves a different question, if we stop hitting the trigger and we start asking, what is it that it’s touching in me, that it causes me to experience anger or sadness or rage or happiness or fantasy, whatever it is that your internal experience is. You can trace it back to something else in your life, where you had an experience that it caused that and that’s lodged in that center of your brain. And then here’s something that resembles that. So through our senses, we’re looking for things that resemble our belief system about our world. And then, that reaction is how we feel safe and certain, when we experience that thing, whatever that thing might be. – Yeah and I think for me, the problem I face is I judge the fact that I don’t catch those quickly enough. And I’ve already thought the thought and then I just ruminate over the fact that I thought this horrible thing or I pulled up this memory, but even the awareness of that is power in itself, like even being aware like, let’s say, so I’ve shortened the refractory period here, it used to be like three or four or five days when something had happened, and I would just do over it. Now I’m down to about
maybe three or four hours. Okay, so it’s gotten a lot better, but even that isn’t good enough for me. So thinking about what you just said, I think it’s important for you, you know, I like that, just take a pause. And like Steph always told me and I know she got this from you like, what is the truth in this, like do a little bit of self-inquiry and be like, what is
the trigger for me now. And when you trace it back through, you know, an exercise of some sorts, you do realize that, that was given to you probably at an age probably by mom or dad. And you’re just recreating it over and over and over again. But the fact that you know about it, that’s the first step. Now correcting it is gonna require a little bit more work. But I love that. – I think one of the things that’s really fascinating
about your analogy, is that how easy our brain is hijacked by something that’s not true. – It’s like instant. Right, so you know,
movies and TV and stuff, they’ll cause you to cry, they’ll cause you to be turned on, they’ll cause you to be angry, they’ll cause you to be defensive and judgmental like all
these different ranges of experience that you viscerally feel in your body and the whole whole thing is just an act. It’s not even real, even if it’s representing something that was real at some point. It’s just an act. They’re actors, but your brain gets completely hijacked by it. We have to ask ourselves the question, how much of life is hijacking our brain in the same way and manipulating us to be doing half things that we don’t really want to be doing half. Instead of us being in control in creating our own world. – Well, I’ll tell you what, even in that unbelievable, limited series, I was taking what was
happening on the screen. And I was acting as if it was happening in my own life and it was bleeding over into like, anger and frustration towards Steph, who’s just sitting
there enjoying the show. – Why didn’t you see it like I do? – Right!
– Yeah. – So then it was about me being wrong, but at least I was
transparent enough to say, look, I was triggered by this and I need some help working through this. And we have that agreement where we can do that. But it was like I was starting to feel resentment towards her. And it had nothing to do with her. It blew my mind, I could say I don’t watch that much TV, but I watch a fair share amount. So the people out there are probably thinking, God, that’s all this guy does. But no I feel like that was a good analogy. And it kind of brings us to, you know what it is that we’re talking about here. So back to the pod. You said that a thought that is out of harmony, you talked about a thought that is out of harmony with life. What do you mean by that again, just to reiterate that to the audience. So the modus operandi of the universe or God or energy or whatever it is, is more life. Everything is constantly moving, creating and expressing life. If we start thinking about things that are not in harmony with that idea, we’re immediately in harmony with the idea of disrupting life, so to speak. So that means that it moves down to something that can sustain life and expression into a base form in which life can regrow from it. So it’s the whole idea of like leaves falling to the ground and decaying and then it becomes part of the soil and it regrows something else. The leaves get to a place because the environment changed where they can no longer sustain life. It’s too cold, not enough light, you know, too much rain or not enough rain or whatever and they fall off, they you know that trees formal expression has died out at the moment, it’s actually gone dormant because it’s environment change. So what’s interesting about the trees learn how to adapt to
a changing environment and still survive, right? It’s like, everything gets pulled in and it stays dormant
until it has enough light and it has enough rain and has enough sunshine in order for it to come back and really be expressive again for what it is. Human beings can change their environment, but when they don’t, when they stay in environment which they can’t thrive, they become like the dead tree or the dormitory and
eventually it’ll kill them. Because if it goes into a state of not healthy expression, it’s an unhealthy expression. And then that’s where disease forms, mental psychosis of all kinds begins to form. Actions that do not benefit us, but actually, you know,
contribute to death, disease, mistakes, poverty, you know, whatever broken relationships, like all that stuff. And then it just, it continues on a downward cycle. And if it’s not corrected, it will completely destroy the person. It’ll completely destroy us as a species, if we don’t wake up to it. – Sure yeah and it’s you know, dormancy is probably a problem that a lot of people face, you know, they and they’re afraid, you know, they’ve probably
got a lot of fear, they figured they’ll just recoil and stay doing the same thing. But if you continue to do
the thing you’re doing, you’re gonna continue to get the same results and there’s a lot of people who aren’t very happy with their results. Human being, you know, I can’t get off this analogy that you brought in with with a TV show. A person’s life in society is like a million TV shows bombarding their consciousness at the same time. It makes people so uncertain that they lock in on to something wrong that was done to them or someone else. And they begin to latch on to how that must change. Because even if they could just hold on to one thing, it gives them a sense of certainty. But it’s not doing any good, because then it becomes
tyrannical in its expression. And then it’s like, I need everybody else
on this fucking planet, to think my way so that I can stop being afraid, but fear is not even the problem, you’re holding on to the only thing that you can resonate
with, for a certainty. That’s it, there’s no basis of truth in it whatsoever. It is a reality that is happening. It is not the totality of your reality, but you’re choosing to hold on to it because everything else that’s happening at the
same time is too chaotic and you can’t find certainty. Right it reminds me of when we recorded “The Tiger Divide” after Tiger won the Masters last year. We recorded that episode and we talked at length about the redemption arc and what Tiger had done to get his body right and put all the past behind him. And we got like blitzed by people who were so upset that we would give time to you know, a philander or you know, all the things that he had done a long, long time ago. And now here we were celebrating the achievement, it was
a great achievement. We had people who are so pissed off, because once a cheater, always a cheater and that in itself was just a ridiculous statement. So it’s very similar to what you just said, we hold on to that one thing, because of many different reasons. But even no matter if you do 100 great things, if you do that one shitty thing, you are horrible person. – And here’s the thing. What if the guy’s a cheater for his rest of his life? What the fuck says that have to do with you? – Yeah, hundred percent. – What does it have to do with you? It is, you don’t know him. He’s not in your life, he’s not cheating. Why do you have to get so emotionally involved in the way he’s choosing to live his life, it is his choice. It’s between him and whoever he’s cheating on and whoever he’s cheating with. It has nothing to do with you. It’s not one bit of your fucking business to do that. But you have to waste precious time in your life to get attached to what somebody else is doing that you perceive wrong, right? And that becomes the totality of your thinking and you’re doing it not because he’s wrong, not because he’s right. Not because you think he’s wrong, because it gives you a feeling of certainty to be able to hold on to that problem, because you can’t hold on to anything else in your life. Because you feel so uncertain. – Yeah, it’s like, you know, get comfortable being uncomfortable. I’m now adopting the new mantra, get certain with things being uncertain because I think in that regard, I think it’s good that you know, that there’s no certainty. – Absolutely, there is no certainty. There’s no certainty
and there’s no safety. And the sooner that you realize that, the sooner that you understand that the certainty that you would feel as a person, is to be certain that you can deal with whatever shows up in your life. That is the basis of sound psychology right there, right? If there’s any certainty at all, it’s that, that we have
the ability to think, that we have the ability to reason, that we have the ability to adapt and move through problems as they show up in our life, that’s it. Trying to keep everything the same way you are glomming on to what’s wrong in life. I mean, it does absolutely, no it just increases the problem, that you focus on gross. – Yeah 100%
– Cause that’s all that life can do is continue to grow the thing. So you stay locked into something that’s wrong, you continue to grow what’s wrong. – And you as a human have a conscious choice to
change that immediately. You could change the way you think right now if you wanted to, but most people hold on to that till their dying day. And then they look back probably with a lot of resentment being like, why didn’t I just let that go back in 68 I would have been a whole lot better moving forward. – Right. – Yeah, I love that. And just to kind of wind this down in the episode you talked about the length of a lot of people believe or perceived that the length of life is more precious than the quality of life. And you brought in the transformation you’ve gone through this year. We’re gonna get into that more in depth on a future podcast. It triggered a memory in my mind about my wonderful aunt Judy, who suffered with severe
back pain similar to what you did for most of her adult life. I mean, she looked like a question mark, like you said in the episode. She would walk very, very painful. You could just tell, she managed it. But it wasn’t much of a life. Then, not too long ago, she was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer. So in that moment, she had the choice to either go through the chemo, to lengthen her life by several months or she could just opt out. She could leave the hospital and she could live out her life on her time and her terms. She obviously chose the latter, which I was grateful for. She got a beach house, she invited, you know,
her husband was there, her kids were there, her grandchildren were there and they spent this
glorious time out there. And it got me thinking
about choosing quality, over quantity and I think that’s such a beautiful thing. And I’m glad you brought it up, because I think a lot of people are all about the longevity. But if you’re not living a life right now, why would you wanna continue living that life if it’s not your best life? – Yeah, exactly. – I mean, there’s so
many people out there, they’re probably doing that. – Well, I mean the part
of the idea is fear. They’re afraid of the unknown. Nobody’s really afraid of death. Just about anybody that has experienced the near death experience will tell you that at the moment, where they thought they were gonna die, they experienced peace. I’ve heard that from every person I’ve ever had a conversation with, that has had a near death experience. They will also tell you that before they were afraid and sometimes after they were afraid, but at the moment of where they actually thought they were gonna die, anunbelievable peace came over them. It’s a really interesting experience. And I think it’s part of how like if all we did was sit around and think about the ultimate demise, because that’s the end for everybody is death, right, that destination, doesn’t matter how much money you have or how good looking you are, how talented you are, we’re all headed towards that destination, if that is in fact, the actual thing, but we’re focused on it, we live in complete anxiety, right? If we think about, it’s gonna happen and just let it be as it’ll happen when
it’s supposed to happen. I don’t really have
much control over that. Then we focus on what we can control now, which is what you aunt did and she decided to make it a joyful time instead of trying to glam on to another month or two and be completely miserable, full of all kinds of cancer drugs that didn’t have the ability to help her, you know. Yeah, so that’s what I think. Yeah, I love that. This is a great episode. And I was a little hesitant at first because, you know, anytime you bring
spirituality into things, even though everything is spiritual, yeah, there’s a lot of people out there that, you know, they have a perception of what spirituality means. Maybe it’s whoo, whoo, maybe it’s this, that or the other. But I’m glad you decided
to talk about this, because everything is spiritual. And I think a lot of people are gonna get a lot of benefit from this episode. – Sounds good. – Yeah, thanks for coming inside, David. – Yeah, my pleasure. (upbeat music) – [David] Thanks for listening to “The Successful Mind Podcast.” And if you like what you heard and you wanna know more, go to davidneagle.com/freestuff. (upbeat music)


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