Maghalie Rochette | The GCN Cyclocross Podcast Ep.3

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(upbeat music) – [Jeremy] Hello everyone, welcome back. I’m Jeremy Powers and you’re listening to the third episode of the GCN Cyclocross Podcast. Today’s a very special episode because I’m actually here
in the United Kingdom at the GCN Studios and I’m sitting across from my pal, Marty MacDonald, who’s our first guest
on the show as usual. In today’s episode Marty and I talk about all of the firsts that are happening in cyclocross right now. Marty catches up with
the up-and-coming rider Anna Kay about her first world cup podium and her ability to bunny-hop the barriers. Then we have a nice conversation with the three-time world
champ, Erwin Vervecken, in the Top Verdeke Vervecken segment where we talk about all the
things that are going down in Belgian cyclocross. Today’s featured guest is with fellow North American, Maghalie Rochette. She’s the current
Canadian National Champion and Pan-American Champion. In our chat we talk about
her come-up in the sport, her first World Cup victory
a couple months back in Iowa, women’s cyclocross and a bunch more. We also have a Getting
To Know Maghalie segment, which proposes a bunch
of hypothetical questions that Maghalie answers very well. It is a great conversation, and I think you guys are
going to all really enjoy it, if you guys haven’t yet, please subscribe to the
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yet, leave us a review, I’d really appreciate it
especially if you like it. All right, so let’s hop into this, Marty. How are you today? – [Marty] I am just splendid. Thank you very much for having me back! – [Jeremy] Dude, it is
awesome to have you back. It’s great to be here
in this studio with you. We don’t always get to be
sitting across from each other, so fantastic to be here with you. It’s been a season of firsts, Marty. We have- well, shoot! Let’s start right with the weekend! All the live coverage racing. You had Nikki Brammeier
and Magnus Backstedt on the live call with
you for the first time. – [Marty] Yeah, great
to have Maggy with us. We go way back, I used to be
his manager a long time ago, he’s one of my best friends. Haven’t done cyclocross with him before, so that was a first. And then Nikki Brammeier,
she made her commentary debut just a few weeks away from giving birth and she was fantastic,
it was great to have her and great to have her insight as well. – [Jeremy] I know, yeah. You’ve got Tour de France stage winner, Paris-Roubaix winner. And then you’ve got Nikki,
who’s a World Cup winner. She won at Namur famously, she’s just been such an accomplished rider. So, so many great insights on
the racing on the live call. It’s been awesome. For me as a fan, watching you guys tear it up has been great. – [Marty] Yeah, it was
great to have her with us. The other firsts, Quinten Hermans. – [Jeremy] Yeah man, Quinten
Hermans tearing it up. Taking that first win in Beringen. Maybe a name that some of you don’t know is Quinten Hermans, but
he’s been on Sven Nys’, telling that team for
quite a few years here and he’s been a really dominant under 23. – [Marty] Yeah, he’s won
a lot as an under 23. You see those riders when you look back through their career, but
you know when you move up to elite it’s like, okay, you start your apprenticeship again, your results are kind of like, “Okay, all those are gone before.” Now you have to prove that all that talent that you’ve got can transfer. Beringen, new course. They’ve run mountain
bike races on it before. It was very mountain bike-y. Up a massive hill, down a massive hill, and Quinten Hermans,
he capitalized on that little tumble by Tom Pidcock. He’s had a win in the states, but for a Belgian rider
to win on home soil is a big thing. – [Jeremy] Dude, huge yeah, and I actually talked to him about that in a quick little
interview that I have here that we’re going to hop into right now. You’ve been tearing it up lately, taking first win of the season. – [Quinten] Yeah, that
was an exciting win. It was 10 kilometers from my home, which is pretty ordinary, so we were in Belgium so
nothing is really far, but it was cool to win so close to home. – [Jeremy] Yeah, you had
taken another elite win in the United States, but
that was your first one. How are you feeling for today? You just came back from
a good training camp. – [Quinten] Yeah, I’ve been
doing a lot of hours this week, so it’s always a little bit nerve-racking to see how the form is after that because you don’t have any… Didn’t do any sprints or… So today is a pretty explosive course, there are a lot of corners and we’ll see. I’m excited to race. – [Marty] That was great. I was so glad you managed
to catch up with him. I think he’s destined for some big things. – [Jeremy] Yeah, man. It was awesome to be able to just chat with him for a minute there. Another first is Yara Kastelijn. – [Marty] She’s at the moment one of the fines of the season. Again, really really good
ride and national champion as a youngster, but now
with that triple seven team, and they are just ripping it up for want of a better phrase, but the victories in Gavere
and also in Koppenberg. And Koppenberg is such an iconic race, and I just think the manner
in which she’s winning, it’s a mature way that she’s riding. It kind of belies her years. – [Jeremy] Yeah, man, that 777 team is absolutely tearing it up, and it was also a first
for the team at Koppenberg because they finished
first, second and third with Annemarie Worst and Alice Arzuffi taking those other spots on the podium, along with Yara Kastelijn winning. So if you guys aren’t
familiar with those names yet definitely want to tune in,
want to get familiar with them because they are tearing it up. Another first, Marty, Thomas Mein. – [Marty] Thomas Mein
of Tarteletto-Isorex. He’s a really great
young rider from the UK. He’s won rounds in derby of
our National Trophy Series, he was up there in the British National Championships last year. He won Koppenberg as a junior. For British fans, everyone
knows Tom Pidcock, those sort of names, but Thomas Mein got a great start in Beringen, and he just climbed with
Toon Aerts and Tom Pidcock, and he finished fourth and
it was massive for him. – [Jeremy] Dude, I mean
he’s on my radar now. I started following him on Instagram and I’m just impressed. I mean, I think that for the first time to be in the front group with the best riders in the world, a big big first for him. Next up, we saw the first
big duel of the season. Iserbyt and Pidcock punching it out on the Koppenberg. – [Marty] Definitely. They’ve been each other’s
arch nemesis’ under 23s, and just Koppenberg, that drama. As commentator it’s the sort
of moments you live for. When he came round the
bottom at the Koppenberg and his chain came off and you just… It just reignited the race and it just came down to that
final lap, that bike change. Pidcock went into the
pits, Iserbyt didn’t. You saw Pidcock glance to his left, they kind of came together,
Pidcock changed bikes, Iserbyt went round the corner, boom, went, that was it. – [Jeremy] It was proper
cyclocross racing. I was at the Koppenberg and I was right at the top of the hill. The fans were just smashing
on the boards next to it, yelling for Iserbyt, yelling for Pidcock. It was truly cyclocross at its best. Another first of the year, Marty, was Mathieu Van Der Poel’s
return at Ruddervoorde. – [Marty] The much
anticipated return as well. We were not sure, were we? The last time we saw him
with a number on his back was at the Yorkshire
Road World Championships, we would gone away, have that rest, get ready for the cross season and people were like, “Will he, won’t he?” “Can Iserbyt and everyone
compete with him?” You look at it, it was… The king is back. – [Jeremy] He is, and I
actually got to catch up with the man himself,
so let’s take a listen to that interview and just hear exactly what he had to say. – [Mathieu] For now
I’m feeling quite good, so it’s really nice weather here today, and yeah, I’m excited. – [Jeremy] It’s your
first race back obviously, you have not raced against
either Iserbyt or Tom Pidcock. They’ve been showing that
they’ve got great form coming up. Excited, nervous, probably both? – [Mathieu] Not really
nervous, it’s psyched because it’s something I
do for a long time now, so it’s a habit and yeah, I’m a little bit curious how the guys are doing and yeah, I’m looking forward to it. – [Jeremy] You’re ready to rip? And this course in
particular, do you like it? Is it something that favors you? – [Mathieu] Yeah, it’s
one of my favorites. Especially in these conditions. Yeah, I hope I’ll find the good pace today and have a good technique. – [Jeremy] Great, and thank you so much. Good luck today.
– [Mathieu] No problem. Thank you. – [Marty] You can just hear
that confidence, can’t you? – [Jeremy] Yeah, you can! He just has that emotional dominance. That like, yeah, a big
rider like himself has. He’s ready to go. He’s trained, he knows
what the things are saying. He exudes the confidence
and he went out there and he showed up exactly what he can do. – [Marty] It is, and cross is him. He loves cyclocross. They were throwing it at
him earlier on in the race. The Pauwels Sauzen riders,
and Laurens Sweeck, I think he had one of the
best races we’ve seen from him up against Van Der Poel,
turning their bowels, but in the end it was just super smooth. It was great. – [Jeremy] Yeah, he tore it up, put his hands up at the
end, big win for him. Going to be a lot more of that. Another piece that we have
for the show today, Marty, is that you got to catch up with the up-and-coming rider Anna Kay. – [Marty] Anna Kay, great rider, she’s got such a big fan
base, she’s out there. We got to talk about her
first World Cup podium. She’s been out there
bunny-hopping the barriers, so yeah it was great to catch up with her. – [Jeremy] Yeah, I can’t
wait to listen to that piece, so let’s hop into that. – [Marty] Anna. Welcome back, last
winter we saw you kind of progressing and it really has been a really steady progression
over the last few seasons, sort of racing domestically and we know, you know, shout out to the big sort of North-East Cyclocross League Massive that we know are always on
our live broadcasts as well. You see national series,
then you dipped your toe into Belgium and then last sort of winter beginning with Storey Racing and then moving into Experza-Footlogix. It’s been quite a journey. – [Anna] Yeah, yeah. It has been. It has been steady, but
yeah it has just all come at once at the same time and it’s just exciting. It’s just exciting being a part of it. – [Marty] And the Experza-Footlogix team. I know Christel is doing… It’s a great job and a great
sort of mission that she’s on. Tell us a little bit more about the team, how it’s structured and again, what sort of difference
that’s made to you. – [Anna] Yeah, so there’s
me, Manon who’s Dutch, Alicia is Belgian and we have a new rider, Marion, who’s French. So we’ve got four now,
and it has really helped having them riders around. For each race it’s kind of like… Relieves the pressure a bit. One of us probably will get (audio jumps), but then also for training wise, it’s really helped having
them riders to train with. Me and Alicia train so well together. We would push each other. And yeah, I think that’s been a massive help this summer. – [Marty] Looking at
what you’ve done so far, what are you looking to try and achieve? Have you set yourself some
targets for this winter? – [Anna] I hadn’t set specific targets. I just wanted to improve on last year, and just keep learning each race and keep improving on each race. – [Marty] One thing
that we’ve got this year that we didn’t have a
lot last year was mud. And you can correct me if I’m wrong, it was your first US
racing trip in cyclocross when you went over for the World Cup. How was that? You had some pretty
savage conditions for that second World Cup. – [Anna] Yeah, that was
probably some of the worst mud I’ve ever rode in for that
second World Cup round. It was mental, but I never really used to like the mud, but I think I actually quite like it now. You learn to ride in it and you learn your style of riding in it and yeah. But that was pretty bad, like… (chuckles) – [Marty] Thanks for joining us. Thanks for taking the time,
and we wish you all the best. – [Anna] Thank you. Thanks very much. – [Jeremy] Really great interview. Great to hear her personality and how much she has going on and how
new everything is for her. It’s really nice. – [Marty] Yeah, she’s a real talent. I think she’s got a massive future. – [Jeremy] Marty, what
do we have coming up in the live racing? Because we got quite a few races on the docket over here at GCN. – [Marty] We have indeed. So GCN Racing, don’t forget,
get in there, subscribe. You can also hit Reminder so that you know when we’re going to go live. We’ve got our schedules out there. European Championships, they are going to Italy this weekend, we have
that to certain territories, we’re back on Monday, we’re in New York and the the following
weekend they head to tap off for the World Cup, and we
have the DVV from Hummer. – [Jeremy] Yeah, we are bringing
it over here, it’s awesome. So Marty, I want to say
thank you so much for today. It was a pleasure speaking with you. – [Marty] Thanks for having me. – [Jeremy] Yeah, it’s awesome. And now we are going to
hop into this segment with Erwin Vervecken, the
three-time world champ. Bring it, talking all about what’s going down in the Belgian scene and what he’s seeing and hearing out there in the fields, so
let’s hop into this piece with Erwin for the Top
Verdeke Vervecken segment. (upbeat music) Okay, so we’re here in
person this time, Erwin, in the GCN World Headquarters Studio. Thank you for being on the show. – [Erwin] It’s a
pleasure, it’s a pleasure. It’s not so far from home this time. – [Jeremy] Yeah, exactly, yeah. But we’re here at the Koppenberg Cross, we just watched a fantastic race. The triple seven team
had some duking-it-out amongst the team; Yara
Kastelijn taking the victory, Annemarie Worst and then Alice Arzuffi, top three women. That was a great race. – [Erwin] Especially Yara
Kastelijn and the Dutch lady, she’s super strong in recent weeks. She started the season very strong, so she’s now proving that
she’s a very good climber, she won last weekend in Gavere on Sunday, now on the Koppenberg. Yeah, she’s incredibly strong and you know, on the
Koppenberg, even if you have like five meter, it’s always a battle. It’s a struggle for life, and
if you’re in second position, it always feels like, okay,
I’m going to catch her because she’s right there. On the cobbles, you see
her, she’s suffering and yeah, she proved to be
in super good condition. The question is can she
hold it for a long time or is this just a peak. – [Jeremy] She was
really impressive today. I mean, I think she
was better in the climb than Annemarie Worst, but Annemarie Worst, we spent the day with Bart Wellens and they were running back
and forth between each other for a piece that’s
going to go on GCN later just following the team and how it worked, and yeah, Annemarie had
a problem at the start with a tire, a flat tire. She had to get a different bike, she had to switch the
bike, wrong pressure, it was just a lot of… As cyclocross is, it’s chaos! – [Erwin] That’s a story I didn’t hear, because I was just watching the race, but of course that’s also
part of the full battle. I saw Annemarie, she was always
very good in the descents, but Kastelijn was so strong uphill and especially the
cobbles on the Koppenberg. – [Jeremy] Yeah man, and this is a race that you’ve done many many times. The course has changed now. – [Erwin] Yeah, it’s
different from what I did. At the time I was racing,
the finish was down on the main street, so it
was much more recovery. Now it’s up and down,
and especially the finish is so hard, so it’s a different course. It didn’t suit me so well. I got second and third once, but I never could win this one. Well, I’m probably a bit too heavy and a bit too tall for such a race, but anyway, it’s a classic and yeah. – [Jeremy] It is
absolutely a classic, yeah. – [Erwin] It’s probably one of the five or maybe even top
three classics in Belgium. – [Jeremy] Yeah it is, I agree. And being here, sitting at
the top of the Koppenberg, I’ve also raced this
race a couple of times and I can tell you that
I’ve never done a race where I’ve felt so exasperated. Maybe Namur, which is your doing. Namur is also very difficult. – [Erwin] Koppenberg has longer climbs and I think it’s more like… Namur has much more interval. You have short pieces where
you can rest your legs and I think this one is harder. – [Jeremy] I agree. And the course is new, it’s different and I think it’s even harder than we raced it. I think it’s now harder. – [Erwin] Yeah, it’s for sure harder because we had a long downhill, a very technical one, but
then the piece at the bottom was a recovery piece, so
you had a long recovery. You also saw in those years that we often had groups
of five, six, seven, up to 10 riders making it half the race. You don’t see that anymore on this course. – [Jeremy] No you don’t,
it’s ones and twos all over the place, yeah. Yeah, it was fun to watch
today sitting at the top. Obviously Eli Iserbyt
and Tom Pidcock, a duel! – [Erwin] Yeah, it was like U23 race. They battled a lot of
races in recent years in the U23 World Cup, so Eli is also super strong. Started the season very well, and Pidcock, we know that
he can handle such races, but still Iserbyt without
his mechanical problems two laps or three laps? No, with two laps to go. Yeah, he would have won with 30 seconds ahead of the rest. Or ahead of Pidcock and all the rest probably at one and a half minutes. So for our ranking,
it’s going to be tough, because Mathieu chose
not to do the first leg, but I heard his manager and it still is cool to
win the GC at the end. So he has to make up five minutes. – [Jeremy] And that’s possible though, because he only has lost five minutes which is maybe around 11th or 12th place. I was looking at the results today and the 11th or 12th place rider is already five minutes down, so he’s going to be slotting in right around 11th, so I mean… If it was anybody else I’d
say maybe it’s not possible, but with Van Der Poel, I have
to say it’s actually possible. – [Erwin] Yeah, yeah. Well, the sport is not so important in the timing, but to
make up five minutes? I remember last year he
also lost four minutes 12 on the Koppenberg and then one in the second leg last year was in Niel. I don’t know, maybe 15, 20 seconds. But then in Hummer he
made a gap of two minutes and it’s there where he made a big step. This year with Iserbyt riding so strong, it’s going to be a struggle. But I love it because, yeah, without Mathieu missing five minutes here you probably can already
say he’s the winner, even with Iserbyt, because
that’s now the big question. They will ride against
each other on Sunday. Will Mathieu be able to ride away and reach the level of Eli? And that’s the big question. Nobody knows, but I think
Mathieu will still be better. – [Jeremy] I think that
Mathieu has to be even nervous, even as World Champion, he
hasn’t raced these riders yet. He’ll see them on Sunday for
the first time at Ruddervoorde. That’s going to be… We’ve both been there. When you’re coming in the season, you haven’t tested yourself against the competition.
– [Erwin] Yeah, but we are talking about Mathieu Van Der Poel, so it’s a different level. Yeah, you’re right. We needed two, three races
to get in a good pace and then maybe five, six more to get to the very good condition, but yeah, this is Mathieu Van Der Poel, so his basic level is still way ahead of all the rest. – [Jeremy] Yeah, okay, well I’m
going to wrap it there, Erwin. I want to say thank
you for your time today and it’s a pleasure to be here with you in person. – [Erwin] Yeah! Thanks, it’s also a
pleasure to meet again. We’ve raced a lot together. I remember coming over to the states on different occasions and… I think even my last victory was in… Yeah, it was a battle between
me, you and Jonathan Page. So was my very last UCI event I won in… – [Jeremy] Wisconsin! – [Erwin] No, no in Sun Prairie. So yeah, good times. – [Jeremy] Good times, man. Well, it’s a pleasure
to have you on the show and publicly, thank you so much for giving us your insights. – [Erwin] Yeah, thanks
also a lot from my side. – [Jeremy] That was a
super fun chat with Erwin to be in person with him at the Koppenberg and to hear his insights on all the stuff that’s gone on with the women, that’s going on with the men’s side and then the return of Van Der Poel, and as we’ve seen the update right now, Van Der Poel has raced in Ruddervoorde, he’s kicked his season off
with that huge victory. He was able to break away
about half way through the race and take the win convincingly. Tons of respect for him. He tore it up just as Erwin said. Coming in with a basic level, not even having raced yet was able to dismantle the field and
put his hands up at the end, so Erwin was right. Also super fun for me
to reminisce with him a little bit about everything
that we did back in the day when we were racing against
each other head to head. Always a pleasure to catch up with Erwin, but now it is on to Maghalie Rochette. I think you guys are going to
really like this interview. I love her energy, I love the passion that she has for this sport. She’s been a friend of
mine for a long time and I just personally really enjoyed this conversation and I
think that you will too. (upbeat music) I am here with Maghalie Rochette who is the current Pan-American Champion and the current Canadian
National Champion. It is an absolute pleasure
to welcome you to the podcast and thank you for coming on! – [Maghalie] Thank you
so much for having me! It’s a complete honor to
be here with you guys. Thanks.
– [Jeremy] Tell us a little bit about where you’re
from and where you grew up ’cause I think some people might not know. – [Maghalie] Yes, so I
live 45 minutes north of Montreal, and that is in Canada, the French-speaking part of Canada. We chose this house, actually
I bought this house with David this last year, so exactly a year ago, and we bought it because
it’s about 100 meters from the start of really
cool mountain bike trails. So that’s where we live,
it’s a really small town, but we don’t need much. We’re happy living in the woods and being close to the trails. – [Jeremy] Tell us about David ’cause you guys are a team! You and David are out there, can you tell us about David
and how that all works throughout the Fall and Winter? – [Maghalie] Yeah, we’re totally a team. I could not do anything
that I’m doing without David because he does so much for me. No, we are not married! We actually, we’ve been
together for nine years. We’ve been engaged for like five! But with all the racing,
we’ve never found a time to get married, and when we actually had a little bit of time, we decided to buy a house instead
of investing in a wedding. So we’re still just like… We’re just hanging, just engaged and waiting for a good moment. – [Jeremy] That’s fine. I’ll talk to him about that off the show. (laughing) Just kidding.
– [Maghalie] Eventually. We’ll get there. But yeah, I mean David is amazing. He is my best friend. He is my boyfriend. He is the mechanic on our team. He is my coach. He is my training partner. He drives the car when I’m just kind of sleeping in the back seat, so he does really a lot for me and it’s been really fun,
I think our relationship evolved a lot through the years and even our coach/athlete
relationship evolved a lot. Just we’re able to be
honest with each other and he’s able to tell me
what I need to work on. I try to take the
critique as well as I can and try to improve from that, so it’s been really
great having him so close and so involved and doing that together. – [Jeremy] Yeah, I think it is hard to kind of balance those things, but it seems like you guys
do a really great job at it. When you have a team, you
share those experiences with one another. If I have a teammate then I’m
equally as happy for them, the same way that we should
talk about Katarina Nash, was obviously such a great post from you about how you guys have had a
relationship for a long time and how she’s helped you, but definitely I feel like
you have a good crew of people in your circle and you guys are doing, you know, you’re doing good work and it’s just great to
see it all come together. – [Maghalie] I couldn’t
be luckier actually. I think I have such a great entourage, a lot of people around me and yeah, I just feel so lucky. I’m a really emotional person and I just feel so much love and to me that’s super powerful. You know, I feel it in my belly. It just makes me so happy and when there’s those people around me, I can feed from that and so lucky. I can’t say it enough. – [Jeremy] So I’m actually
going to talk about that ’cause I was going to say here that you are one of the friendliest
and positive riders that I see on the circuit. You know, you always have a really great, fun, outgoing attitude. I would have to say that
when I saw the first picture at Rochester a couple of weeks ago, I saw what I said was a very determined Maghalie Rochette. It was not… You weren’t smiling, although
not that you weren’t smiling, you just weren’t outgoingly making time to have chit-chat and be funny. There was a little bit
of a different approach and I think that all ties into this next step in your career. You’re 26 years old, you’re in a sport that’s really starting to appreciate women’s racing
and things like that. I’m just curious about that determination. – [Maghalie] Yeah, I mean
it’s a great question and it’s actually a key
factor for me this season and I think I’ve been working
on that for a few years. I told you that I’m very emotional, it’s kind of new that I
can control these emotions, so those emotions, I get extremely high if that makes sense. Super happy, but I can get super extremely anxious as well. I’ve struggled with that. I used to not really be able
to control my nerves at races and sometimes I would and
I would have a great race and most of the time I was not really able and I would choke often. And I’ve been really struggling with that and it took people around me and myself looking at myself in the mirror and just being able to
be honest with myself and realize what were these
things that I needed to work on. ’cause I love training and for me, the training was the easy part. I always wanted to work harder, but the mental part was
super difficult for me and so I’ve been… I’ve had to work a lot on that and I think I’m slowly figuring myself out and slowly finding some ways that I can manage my excitement, manage my nerves and
it’s really helping me. I’m able to stay more calm at the races and I’ve started doing meditation and it can sound a little corny maybe but it really helps me out. It just really helps me to stay grounded and just be present in the moment and know what I need to do, ’cause the truth is I’m
not that much stronger than I was last year or the year before, but I’m just more… I feel like I’ve been more
able to put it together when it counts and that’s really about figuring my mindset and my emotions. – [Jeremy] How do you meditate? Do you use… I used Headspace personally
as one of the things. I’m just curious, did you go and get some classes from someone? Do you do visualization? If you don’t mind answering.
– [Maghalie] No, I don’t mind at all, that’s a great question. I did Headspace, then… ‘Cause I mean, people have
been talking to me about that for a long time and I was… – [Jeremy] It takes a
long time to pick it up. – [Maghalie] Totally. I was not picking it up. I was doing it for five
days and then stopping, and eventually it really came from me and I’m like, “You know what? “I really think that can help me.” I also really don’t have
the best attention span. I’m not great at being focused and so I felt like this was
something I needed to work on, so I used the Calm app. At first I was doing the guided
meditation through this app and now I mostly do timed meditation, so nothing really happens. There’s just a nice
sound in the background and when it’s done it does bong, so you’re done. So that’s what I’m doing
and the way I use it, I try to do it almost everyday, but I don’t go crazy about it. If it’s a busy day and I
just can’t do it, it’s fine. I don’t judge myself for it, but especially on race
day I definitely do it. At least at 10 or 15
minutes in the morning just kind of when I’m preparing, and then I do it again
right before the race. So I do my warmup and then
I come back somewhere, I’ve done it in a porter potty. I just need a quite space. It can be anywhere. I take about two minutes, I just take a few deep breaths, try to remind myself what
am I going to do now. What is it that I need to do, what I need to focus on, where am I, what am I doing? Just like a two minute that I can… Now I’m ready, now I’m focused, I know what I’m doing, then I can go for it. – [Jeremy] Yeah, you have to
wrangle that nervous system. You’re able to control it with breath, it’s a very powerful thing. Yeah, I think I hear so many athletes that are doing that. – [Maghalie] And when you said
about when you’re nervous, that is something else that I kind of change my perspective on. I used to think that being
nervous was super negative. I was like, “I can’t be nervous, I can’t believe in nervous” and I’d be kind of mad at myself, and then I started looking
at it the other way and now I see it like kind of a tank and when I get stressed
out and when I get nervous, it’s like the energy’s
just rising and rising and rising and rising and I’m like, “Whoa, this is good!” and just waiting for
the go so I can (bang) let it out, so that’s
how I prefer to see it. It just gives me so much more power than when I was mad at myself
for being nervous, you know? – [Jeremy] I get it. Yeah, that is such a good part about growing up as a racer, you take time to learn,
you’re constantly evolving. I felt like I was always a student, you know what I mean? Always figuring something new out, I’m doing something different, I’m trying different
things and I’m glad to hear that you found that and
it’s working for you. It’s awesome. So I want to switch
gears just a little bit and ask you about the women’s
side of cyclocross racing is quite possibly more
popular at this time than men’s cyclocross racing. It is such a changing of the tides and I just would be curious to know your general thoughts about what you think about
with the women’s sport and how things are evolving, but also how you feel in the industry right now. You make a email five years ago, maybe you don’t get something back because it’s women’s cyclocross,
it’s not that important. You make an email now
and, “We need to talk.” – [Maghalie] Yeah, well first of all, I personally don’t see
it as a competition. I mean, I’d be happy if
all races of cyclocross would be through the roof. – [Jeremy] All ships rise mentality. – [Maghalie] Exactly! Yeah, I mean to me, equal is equal. And so I don’t feel like
the women need to be better or anything like that, it’s just we’re all in
the same ship, exactly. It is cool though that
there is a lot of attention to women’s cycling. I think the sport is
in a really good place and one of the reasons for that is that so many great athletes
are taking part in it. It’s really cool because you have amazing mountain bike athletes like Jolanda Neff is going
to be there, Pauline. There is a lot of road athletes like Lucinda Brand and Marianne Vos and then the cyclocross specific athletes and it just makes for such
a strong group of people and that’s what’s exciting because it’s never the same person winning. It’s always really really tight racing, so I think that’s what is
bringing a lot of attention. Now about like how I feel about being in the sport at this time; I feel extremely lucky
because although I’m aware that not everything is
absolutely equal right now and I think it should, I think it will. I just feel lucky that we are where we are because the people before me have worked their asses off just to make that happen,
and they made change happen. It’s really interesting, I was talking with Tim Johnson this week
because a lot of people were asking me if I was
the first Canadian woman, Canadian to win a World Cup. And I’m like… I feel like Lyne won a World Cup, and he told me a story that in 2002 Lyne Bessette won a race at… – [Jeremy] I know this race. – [Maghalie] Yes, she won
a race in Nommay, France and this race was the women’s event at a men’s World Cup, but it
wasn’t technically a World Cup and I was like, “I can’t believe that!” That’s not that long ago, and they didn’t even have a
World Cup for women back then, and so thinking of the
progress that have been made, I just feel so grateful for
all these people that fought, like Georgia Gould and Helen Wyman and all the womens that fought for us to have more equal prize money and just more opportunities. I just feel like I couldn’t complain. – [Jeremy] I’m happy for you all. I think it’s the right time. The racing’s compelling,
you guys have great battles. I have to say, I think
that there’s time when the women are the premiere
event every weekend. If the men’s racing stays
similar to the way it is, and I called a ton of races last year and there were races that had
me on the edge of my seat, so I’m not saying one thing or the other. I just think that like you
said, it is a great time for women’s cyclocross. – [Maghalie] It really is, yeah. – [Jeremy] Okay, I’m going
to change gears again. – [Maghalie] Okay.
– [Jeremy] I wanted to bring up another thing that
I wanted to ask you about. So there’s an event in New England that happens in the springtime
and it’s called Rasputitsa. They got in touch with
you, I assume Heidi. Heidi’s someone that I know, she’s one of the people that
has a hand in Rasputitsa. It’s a gravel event, it’s really gnarly. If you haven’t seen it,
it is worth a check out. I’ve done it. It’s hard, it’s fun. You get off and you
run, troop through snow and things like this. It can be really really brutal. Have you done the race? – [Maghalie] I have done it this year. It is a brutal, but it’s so great. – [Jeremy] So here’s the
coolest thing though, you crafted the trophies for the winners and I watched a video that you did on it a while back and I remember being like, “Okay, I didn’t know that there
was this dimension to you” but I have a lot of questions about it, but I’m just curious,
if we go down the list of 100 people that are in
the top 50 of the UCI rank, that list of people that can make winner’s trophies is short. – [Maghalie] You’d be surprised! I’m sure some people– – [Jeremy] Well, I’m
just going out on a whim. How, why and with all your
training and everything like that I would just love to know the backstory. – [Maghalie] Not exactly
sure how it started, but eventually I got into woodworking. So my grandfather was
doing it when I was a kid and I was too young to
really kind of be into it, but when he passed away
we got all of his tools, and so I was like, “Oh, that sounds cool.” So I started playing with the tools and the first thing I
did was a pizza peel, ’cause I love pizza. Then I needed help to plain it ’cause it was too thick,
so I found a place where I live and the guy got me in and he gave me a little lesson and I was like, “Oh man, this is cool” and so I got into it more and more. And it’s just a hobby of mine, I love making little things, but then this past off season
I had more time on my hands and so I was doing a bunch of that and eventually Heidi reached out to me and she was like, “Oh my God, can you make “woodworking trophies for Rasputitsa?” and I’m like, “Oh my God, yes! “That would be so cool!” And she was like, “Make
whatever you want.” And I was like, “Oh, all right.” That was a big challenge ’cause
I didn’t know what to make, so I had a few ideas and
eventually what I did was a beer opener, but it’s basically something that you can put on
the wall like a decoration. It’s the shape of the state of Vermont and it’s a beer opener at the same time. So I made I think it was eight of those and yeah, it was super cool! – [Jeremy] I want to race just to get one. When I saw it I was like,
“Whoa, those are sick!” And the fact that you
crafted it I was like, “This is unbelievable!”
– [Maghalie] Thank you! It’s really fun to make. As you get… For me anyway, I get so into it. I don’t see time go by. It’s one of those things that I can do that I can really be focused on for a long period of time. There’s not many things I can do that way, so I don’t know, it’s really cool. I hope I can do more. If I had time I’d do more. – [Jeremy] It’s good to
have another thing to do besides just going out and training. You’re training all the time. For me, I loved music, I loved cooking, I loved hanging with friends. I loved doing so many different things so I can totally appreciate that you found something that allows you to kind of be mindless. It’s a little bit of meditation actually. You’re actually doing… You don’t even know it, but you really are not thinking about anything which is a nice way to
kind of spend your time. And there’s another thing! Speaking of things that we do that keep our mind away from riding, I DJ at a handful of things and we were both at the
time sponsored by Clif Bar and you rode before this
program that you have specialized for you. We were out at the Sea Otter Classic and I was DJ-ing, pumping the jams, everybody’s dancing, having a good time and then kind of the music stops and we need to put on a
special track for the team! And you guys rolled in
like a bunch of bandits and you took the scene over. And there were a lot of people here. I’m talking like a few hundred people were just there to dance. But also to see the performance of the women’s Clif Bar team where you guys had a rap,
a dance and a whole thing. I need to know more. We need the backstory about how this happened.
– [Maghalie] Welcome to the women’s team. (laughing) Yeah, I mean, I don’t think that we can call it a performance. It wasn’t that great. – [Jeremy] Well, it left
an impression on me. – [Maghalie] I’m glad it did. Yeah, I mean, when we were on this team, I think the chemistry
between all of us riders and the staff honestly,
it was just so great. It really felt like a family and we were spending a
lot of time together. A lot of time together, and
so we all got really close and this was one of our team camps and we were just talking to
each other and we were like, “It would be cool to
do something different “for a team video or something different” and so we started rapping, which is something we
had been doing before because Lea Davison was now
on the team for the first time and we had a history
of rap battles together and so it was just natural
that we would do a rap and so we all got into it, but everyone got into it. We all had names and
everyone had a rapper’s name and it was pretty cool and so we spent the whole team camp doing that. When we were supposed to do all the… You know how team camp is, but all the free moment were spent doing rhymes and then between
the photo shoots we’re like, “Oh, I have a new rhyme!” We were yelling at each other. So it was just a fun thing to do and then we finally got
to present it twice. We did it at Clif Bar ’cause
every Thursday morning they have a company meeting, so we did it on stage at Clif Bar. That was the firs time. And then since we had practiced so much, we had an opportunity to do it again at the Sea Otter party. – [Jeremy] That’s amazing. How did that work with the
European riders on the team? I’m feeling like if English is a second or maybe even a third of fourth language and you’re doing that stuff, I’m just think about the… ‘Cause you had quite
a few European riders. – [Maghalie] Yeah we did. It was pretty hilarious. Eva was so funny. I think we called her Notorious E.V.A ’cause it’s like the Notorious and Andrea was Dr. Dre, but both of them had no clue who we were referencing to. Like, “Why am I a doctor?” So it was pretty funny, but
they really got into it too. They had they had the moves and they had a shorter line
but they really delivered perfectly, so it was great. – [Jeremy] That was good times. Those were good times. And when you were on Clif Bar you were doing a ton of mountain biking. You were traveling a lot in Europe and I remember last year
you also went to Europe and you raced quite a bit of it. The end of the season after Pan-Ams maybe. – [Maghalie] Exactly, yes. So after Pan-Ams last
year I went to Europe and we had minimal funding and so we decided that
if we stayed in Europe it would probably be cheaper, so we stayed there for
three months after Pan-Ams all the way until Worlds. – [Jeremy] That had
success and also hardships. – [Maghalie] Yes, more
hardships than success. – [Jeremy] Last year you also… You went to the
Pan-American Championships, you had a pretty good duel for that race. For the Pan-American
Championships which was in up near where you live. I don’t know how close, but
it was in that part of Canada, and having been to Europe so many times and having had horribly
hard trips as well. Being away from home, the
racing level being high. I’d just be curious to know what happened. – [Maghalie] That’s a good question. Many things went wrong I would say and one of the major things, and I think it may come back to what we talked about earlier, but I got so bored. I was really really bored. The races were fun, but between the races I really had nothing to do
and you train two hours, but there’s still 10 hours left in the day so it’s long. And then the training was
another thing that went wrong. I got sick and then I really struggled to stay fit because I was sick and so do you go ride
four hours in the rain or you stay inside? And then all of these questions and I just didn’t really
know how to do it, I didn’t know the training grounds well and I feel like I didn’t train as much as I normally do, and so eventually my fitness came down and I was struggling even more in the races. So those were factors that
were difficult for me. Then you know how it is. Just getting there is difficult. I mean, you think they kind
of want you to be there because they give you some start money but then you show up and they don’t want to let you park here and
you can’t find the numbers ’cause it’s in a random building that everyone knows which one, but you don’t know. – [Jeremy] It’s not made easy. – [Maghalie] It’s not made easy and so I really struggle with that and I came to a point where I was sick, I wasn’t that fit and I
was dreading the moment where I would actually get to the race. The fight to the start line
was what I was dreading. Once it started I like
racing so it’s fine, but yeah, I really struggled. I mean, to the point where in
Pontchateau at the World Cup I was sick again, and I was in the car waiting for the start
and I just started crying and I thought that day,
“Maybe this is not for me.” Like, “Maybe I’m not competitive enough. “I don’t know what it is, but I don’t “really want it anymore, I’m not sure.” Luckily he was there and
now that I took a step back, I kept going– – [Jeremy] It’s what your teammate does. – [Maghalie] Exactly, so yeah, it wasn’t easy at all. – [Jeremy] Having also
cried in many fields. In fact, one here in
Maddison after the 2016 wreck that I had here famously breaking my ribs. I remember Molly, a friend
of the team manager, a friend of ours. I was literally just in
the field by myself crying. Like, “Okay, so this is where it’s over. “This is how my career’s over. “First race of the year, busted ribs.” The national champion just really hurting and I think it’s probably good for people on the show
to hear those hardships from top riders that are
National Pan-American World Cup winning champion riders that also go through these hard times. And yeah, I mean if I told
you the amount of times that I tried to quit racing. – [Maghalie] Oh man, me too! I have a list! – [Jeremy] The list would be pretty long. – [Maghalie] But you know what? And I think you would
probably agree with that. Those moments, they’re
so hard in the moment, but two things: one, you
learn so much from them, and when things start going well again it means so much more
because you’ve gone through all these hardships. – [Jeremy] So you’ve won this World Cup. It is a huge goal that you’ve put a check mark next to. How will you recalibrate
for your next big goal? I assume you have
another one for the year. – [Maghalie] Yes, I’ve had
a few times in my career, a couple times, I’ve had a
breakthrough performance for me. I screwed it up afterwards, and what I mean by that
is that when I got fifth at the Worlds in 2017, to me I was like, “Oh my God, now I can’t do anything.” And I failed so badly and I’m glad that I’ve had
these experiences before because I know what not
to do if that makes sense. I know now to make the same mistakes. I guess I’ve seen people
close to me win World Cups and world championships, and I’ve seen how nothing changed and I’ve seen how the next morning they woke up, they went to the bathroom
like a normal person and they kept working hard and they kept working at their craft and always trying to find
how they could improve. To me having seen that so close, I know that’s the only way to do it. So that’s cool. I’m lucky that I’ve been
surrounded by these people. – [Jeremy] We’re going to
switch it up a little bit here. This is going to be a little bit more fun, we do this one the show. This is a segment that
I call Getting To Know Maghalie Rochette. Okay, so what we’re going to do here, and for anyone that hasn’t listened, I’m going to present you
with a hypothetical scenario then I’m going to give you some questions. Some A, B, C and D and you can pick which one you want or you can kind of go on on your own, but these are the rules of the game, okay? So we’re going to be Getting
To Know Maghalie Rochette. – [Maghalie] Do I have an amount of time to respond, like three
seconds and a buzzer? – [Jeremy] No, there’s no… – [Maghalie] I get competitive. – [Jeremy] No, I understand. It’s in you. That’s fine. All right, so I’m going
to work through this one. So the first question is: It’s Clif Bar Factory Athlete Work Day. So they put you on the baking floor with a Clif employee
who’s been a real stickler for the protocol, but
you’re bonking super hard, meaning you have no energy ’cause you rode a massive week
of training leading up to it. Now, the oats and the
chocolate are kind of hitting your tongue and you’re salivating. The bars are twirling,
they’re being shaped and you know because the employee told you that if you stick your hand in the product or anywhere near it, they have to throw the entire batch out. But you’re desperate. You’re desperate. Do you A, create a diversion
by yelling, “Watch out!” and sneak your hands in there and grab some unbaked Clif Bar and ram it into your mouth, even though you know if caught it’s going to ruin the entire batch? Do you B, get on the floor
and pretend that you slipped, but you have your mouth
open as the Clif Bars just divert from your hand
and go into your mouth off the conveyor belt? Do you C, try to befriend the employee to the point of absurdness
and swindle them to let you eat some of these Clif Bars? Or D, do you crack and have to give it up and call it a day? – [Maghalie] Totally C. I would totally try to get
the employee in on this. No hestitation C. (laughing) – [Jeremy] That makes sense. I think yes, after what we’ve
talked about here already, I think that that makes perfect sense. Are you ready for the next question? All right. So after winning the World Cup in Iowa, President Macron of France’s assistant hears an interview with
you speaking French. He shoots you a message on
Instagram congratulating you and he invites you to the
Presidential Offices in France to meet President Macron. Come to find out his assistant
mistaked you for being French and the president has no idea because his assistant does stuff. After you arrive he introduces you to the big group of people
as Maghalie Rochette from the South of France. Do you A, instead of correcting him, gently turn up your Quebec accent and ask if he’s ever had Poutine? B, go along with it and
promptly after the ceremony, rush to the French embassy
and try to get a fake passport to show your loyalty? C, put your most polite and French on and let him know how much you love France? Or do you say nothing and
act as French as possible? – [Maghalie] Oh my God. That’s a tough one. A part of me totally wants
to act as French as possible, but I think I would have no chance ’cause my accent is so strong. So I think for that reason,
I would pull out my best Québécois accent and
ask if he wants Poutine. – [Jeremy] Okay, all right, perfect. Just slightly, just to let him have it. Just be like, “I want you to know…” That’s a great answer. I think that’s the way to do it. Then you guys hopefully share a laugh, he’s a little embarrassed
but it’s a great… – [Maghalie] I think that
would be a good bonding moment. – [Jeremy] You’re definitely
really famous after that. – [Maghalie] I think so, yes! (chuckling) Going for the fame. – [Jeremy] All right, this is the last one and this one I think is important, ’cause this I think is… This tells us a lot about you. So, you’re hanging out at the race and you’ve got to go to the bathroom, but you had an idol of yours and I don’t know who this might be, but they sent you a message on Instagram. So you’re so excited you’re like, “Oh my God, my idol sent me this message!” You run to the bathroom and
you’re just kind of crazy, but you literally forget
that you had your phone in your jersey pocket. – [Maghalie] Oh, that has happened before. – [Jeremy] Kerplunk. – [Maghalie] Oh no. That has not happened before. – [Jeremy] It goes in. Do you quickly without thinking thrust your hand into that
blue, murky, nastiness and retrieve your phone? B, you yell as loudly as you can to David and you make him get it? C, in a complete freakout you scream like Mortal Kombat style,
you run out of the porter let and you kick it over
to retrieve your phone? Or D, is it gone forever? – [Maghalie] Oh my God. That is a tough one. You know, like the… The logical part of me wants to say D, but I know myself and I know that if it actually fell down. Unfortunately my first
reaction without thinking, I would probably put my hand right in it and grab it and then be like, “What did I just do?!” I think it would be like… I would regret, but I would
do it without thinking. You know? Unfortunately that’s who I cam I think. – [Jeremy] We’re going to
let the listeners figure out what they would do. I want to thank you for playing that. That was great. – [Maghalie] That was super fun. Thank you so much. Let’s hope this doesn’t happen. Let’s hope that. – [Jeremy] Yeah, definitely. I think the comments from this one will be interesting to
hear what others have done. – [Maghalie] I think no one
will want to come shake my hand. (laughing) – [Jeremy] All right, I’m not going to… I’m just going to leave it there. Maghalie, thank you so much. Congratulations and thank you so much for being on the show. – [Maghalie] Thank you so much, Jeremy, that was super fun. – [Jeremy] What a great
conversation with Maghalie. She is a total sport for dealing with those hypotheticals at the end. I hope you guys thought they were funny and enjoyed them as much as I did. I have no idea where my
imagination will take me when I’m writing them, but today was a great episode. I really enjoyed it. It was a first for me in many ways as well because we literally sat
down with all of the guests that we had on the show live and so that’s the first time that we’ve been able to do
that here with the podcast. A lot of stuff is done over the internet and in different ways to
be able to create the show, but in my first year of
retirement, traveling around, being able to reconnect
with all the riders that I’d see on the circuit
regularly week in and week out has been a real treat,
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