When you talk about Shiva, there is no parentage.
There is no place of birth. It’s very common to refer to Shiva as Yakshaswarupa. Yakshas means
always those kind of beings which are not human, Kangna Ranaut: So, all the enlightened people
who’ve been… Sadhguru: How many did you meet? Kangna Ranaut: Like I’ve heard about many. Like
you know, say Krishna or Mohammad or Ram or Christ, Buddha you know, all the enlightened
people who’ve been on this planet, there is some sort of mention of their birth or death.
But when it comes to Shiva, like you say he… and I’ve read that he was self-created. And I often
ask you this question, that… that did he like disappear into thin air and apparently something
like that happened. He couldn’t even have biological children with any of
the women he was married to. Also he… he… Sadhguru: At least you can’t blame him
for the population. Kangna Ranaut: Sadhguru! I’m coming to something
very important, there is a theory… (Laughter). Sadhguru: I thought population was very important too. Kangna Ranaut: No, no, no. There is a theory
that Shiva is alien. My favorite director Christopher Nolan made this film
“Interstellar” which is one of my favorite films, where they are constantly referring to certain beings
as “they.” They are communicating, they are talking to us, they are doing this but they
never really clarified who they were, like were they aliens, were they gods, who they were.
And Sadhguru like I think I’ve felt it. Like when any creative idea comes to me,
it has absolutely no intellectual grounds where I can go back and track it down. It’s literally
like a mail dropped in my head. It seems like it’s from an outside space… Sadhguru: This is not a confession, don’t… Kangna Ranaut: I know it’s a confession
but… but Sadhguru is it that we are being operated by an external sort of outside beings?
Is it that ? Sadhguru: Well, people who have no faith in human
intelligence are looking up that intelligence will come from somewhere else.
What we need to understand is, see, there are certain things which are very significant
things in this country, which unfortunately this present generation has completely forgotten
or very few people are reminded, and the rest of the world, some places they
recognized, rest of the places, it’s not there. What the thing is just this, here we considered
things like this, for example in yoga, we call your spine the center of the universe,
we call it merudanda, that means it’s the axis of the universe.
What is a universe, please understand this. Today scientists are admitting it is an
endless universe. Forever we’ve been saying it’s an ever expanding universe. So we said your
spine is the axis of the universe, that sounds ridiculous. Even without putting any load most people’s
backs are hurting badly. They can’t even walk or run or do anything. If this
becomes the axis of the universe, what’ll happen! Why we’re saying this is, see, you know
there is a universe or you think there is a universe only by your experience, isn’t it so? If you did
not experience, if you could not see this, if you could not see like this and feel like this,
you wouldn’t know there is a universe. Only because of your experience there is a universe,
and the center where your experience is being transmitted is
through your spine. If we cut a few wires in your spine, you’ll have no experience even of the body,
forget about the universe. So, because your ability to experience the universe
is rooted and centered in your spine, we are calling your spine as the axis of
the universe. Suppose this hall… See, now we know the boundaries of this hall.
Now we can debate whether this is the center of this hall or that is the center of this hall.
Suppose there are no boundaries to this hall, how would you decide which is the center of this hall?
Where you are is the center of the hall, isn’t it? From this basis we developed a whole possibility
for a human being, how not just to believe these things but to make it
into a living experience. It is from this, the word yoga
came, that the inclusiveness happens, not because I tell you “oh, I love you, you
love me” and all this stuff. Inclusiveness happens, simply because you
obliterate the boundaries of your individuality. Not because I love you, you love me. I hug,
you hug me, because we are inclusive. No! All that will last for some time, tomorrow if they do
something that you don’t like, it’ll be finished. But you obliterate the boundaries of your
individual nature, including your body that you know how to sit here without being identified
with the boundaries of who you are. Your physical structure, your mental structure,
your emotional structure has a boundary it may be large or small. No, I’m not talking about
body being large. It may be large or small, but it has a boundary. But there are dimensions
which have no boundary. What doesn’t have a boundary is non-physical in nature. So our focus is always been on that dimension
which is non-physical. That is why Shiva became the most important
thing, because Shi-va means that which is not. That which is non-physical. Now, the yogi that
we are talking about, is he a human being, did he come from somewhere else? See, there
are things… As you said, there is no parentage. When you talk about Shiva, there is no parentage.
There is no place of birth. Nobody saw him as a young boy to grow up. All the
time when we saw him, he was about the same age. And we don’t know where he died, such a
significant human being even in those times, if he died somewhere they should have built a
temple, they should have built some kind of a monument for him
nothing like that happened. So, there is no birth, there is no death, there is
no parentage, there is no siblings, there is no anything to prove that he was here.
Does it mean to say we can assume he came from somewhere? Not necessarily,
but if you look at the lore, it’s very common to refer to Shiva as Yakshaswarupa.
This means Yakshas means always those kind of beings which are not human,
but who supposed to have existed in the natural environment in this planet in the
forest and other things. Whatever we were referring to some kind of
beings or creatures or whatever you want to call them, who are not human in nature. So many, many
times in the lore, you will see any number of songs and other things talking about Shiva as a
Yakshaswarupa. So there are many things which point, but
there is no specific proof that he came from elsewhere.