Wrath of God: Why God Doesn’t Just Forgive? (Pencils & Prayer Ropes)

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Hello my siblings in Christ, I am Bojan and
I love answering questions. One of the questiosn I received got my attention
so bad that I had to make a separate video on it instantly. The question is: why God can’t just forgive?
– the implication being, why Christ did have to come, become incarnate, suffer, die, arise,
ascend and so on. Why the sacraments, why everything in Christianity? Why God couldn’t just say ‘you’re forgiven’
and poof, sin disappears in a cloud of stinky smoke. To explain, let me use an example of a good
and of a bad hospital. Let us say you’re feeling pretty bad and
you got to a bad hospital for a checkup. The doctor there says that you’re fine. You don’t feel fine, but the doctor reassures
you that you’re dandy, just drink a mint tea or something. You’re not so sure about this, so you go
to the good hospital. The doctor there runs a couple of thests and…
oh my. You require immediate surgery. Sure, you can postpone, but who can guarantee
that you’ll live by the time you get back again? Immediatelly does the doctor get to business. You get prepared for the surgery, and tons
of stuff gets removed. You wake up, after the anestetic, and it all
hurts like hell, but at least you’re alive. You have stitches in the most improbable of
places. The nurse takes you to the doctor, barely,
because your legs are jelly, and you two have a little talk. Well, we removed everything, says he, in his
thick German accent. So, I am fine, you ask, feeling relieved. Fein? FEIN!? he shouts. Meine liebe süßes Opfer, you are anything
but fein, you’re just alive! Your disease requires long therapy! You have to change your worldview! You have to change your diet! You have to change your lifestyle! Oh, my poor family! Yes, change that too! You will have a regimen of pills, you will
have to eat these veggies, you need this and that physical activity lest a worse thing
befall thee! You leave, and you live, and you’re alive. Now, my siblings, which one of these two doctors
would you rather go to? To the second one of course! For you see, in this parable, the Church is
a hospital, the doctor is Christ, the operating table is – okay, just kidding, we’re not
doing that. But the parable does illustrate why God does
not just forgive. He could – but that would achive nothing for
us. Why is that so? First, the question asked ‘why doesn’t
God just forgive’ assumes that sin is nothing more than a moral failing, a breach of a commandment. While sin is that, it is so much worse. God is the sole source of our existence, life
and joy, and when we sin, we get completely cut off from Him. We lose our color, our life drains away, or
bones and flesh rot to fine powder. Sin isn’t just saying ‘No’ to God, it
is quite literally cutting off a branch upon which we sit. Second, we do not know just how bad sin is. All our lives we know nothing better than
to cut branches upon which we sit. Like the inhabitants of Plato’s cave, all
we know is darkness. As a Nightwish song goes, “Your mirror is
black, only a mere copy stares back.” At present, we are bad copies of our true
heavenly originals. Our liberty isn’t made of us throwing away
shackles of God, morality, tradition or whathaver have you – that is a deception, for in order for
one to be truly free, one needs to actually experience light, not fling oneself deeper
into the darkness, hoping that some new darkness will make sense or be true. It is nothing, just absence of light. Third, the question presupposes that forgiveness
is all we need. Yes, we need forgiveness, but getting only forgiveness
is selling God short. God gives us not only forgiveness, He gives
us His own self. He does not only bring us back to the tree,
He grafts us to the tree. We lost the grace of our foreparents, but
God not only restores us to that state, He gives us so much more. For all of that to happen, God has to come
down as human to lift us up to His divinity. Even if Adam and Eve did not sin, Christ would
have to come, for only through that can our humanity participate in the divine nature. The Eucharist isn’t a mere byproduct of
our sin – it is a heavently banquet Adam and Eve would feast upon even if they didn’t
fall, and we shall feast upon it even in the never ending day of His glorius Kingdom. For all of this to happen, we need Christ
of flesh among us, not a disembodied voice on Mount Sinai. To conclude: TECHNICALLY, God could have arranged
for things to go like that, only with forgiveness, but it would be to our detriment. Your sin would go away, but whatever caused
you to sin is alive in you, festering and spreading, and only Christ Himself can stop
the contagion. I hope you liked this video, and, only in this video, we briefly touched upon why Christ did have to come. In one of the next videos, I will tackle one of the most serious heresies of modern times, the one of penal substitution, the teaching that Christ had to die on the Cross in order to take our punishment for sin. See you there! Bye!

 

48 Responses

  1. Cauliflower Power

    February 13, 2020 1:47 am

    Wow! I was thinking just a few moments ago that I really want to watch a Bible Illustrated video… but there's nothing new but i search anyways and I find a new video out one minutes ago, truly miraculous. God Bless, Bojan!

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  2. Kay Brown

    February 13, 2020 2:02 am

    Terrific video as usual, Bojan. Thank you! 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻

    I’m so looking forward to your next one on penal substitution. Most of us, myself included, were thoroughly steeped in that pernicious heresy for years and it’s hard to get it out of our minds. ☦️♥️

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  3. David Mulit

    February 13, 2020 2:03 am

    This question has been bothering me for a while and maybe you could answer it. Where are heaven and hell? If heaven and hell are just different states of existence then how can you account for their descriptions in Scripture? If heaven is not in the sky, then where did Enoch, Elijah, Moses, The Theotokos, Jesus, (and debatably St. Paul) go when they were assumed?

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  4. Sulphuric_Glue

    February 13, 2020 2:26 am

    This topic comes up a lot when I try to explain Christianity to Muslims. They all seem to find it difficult to grasp that God choosing not to punish us for our sins does not actually remove the sins, as they see sins merely as a deviation from a commandment. To Muslims, many things that are considered sins in this world are actually given as rewards in Jannah (their conception of heaven is essentially maximal indulgence in lust and greed), which suggests that sins are not considered sins because they are objectively evil, but rather that Allah's commandments are nothing more than a test for humans to prove themselves worthy of Jannah. For any wishing to evangelise to Muslims, this is a basic stumbling block that we must consider and overcome.

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  5. Sammy Speros

    February 13, 2020 3:35 am

    You are still as good as I watched your first video. But under this video it look like God is becoming my enemy… Why because I been pray to him with the othodox Bible when I got married hell has arrived…. From there on less love, communication, and worse.. I was still praying. But from here on I disagree with the load for what I went through… But there is more to tell you…

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  6. hk47ray

    February 13, 2020 5:06 am

    Great video! And Nurse Ratched from 'One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest' made an appearance! Nice little easter egg there. 😀

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  7. Little Lulu

    February 13, 2020 5:56 am

    thank you so much !!!! i am a convert and this had not been explained to me so clearly before…..I had heard parts of all of this but this pulled it together thank you again…..am looking forward to your next video

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  8. Jovan Strugar

    February 13, 2020 7:07 am

    Супер су објаснио! 😁💪☦️ А овакви видеи ми помажу да учим Енглески! 😁😁

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  9. Thomas Turton

    February 13, 2020 7:46 am

    Oh so you're going to accuse multiple church fathers of heresy including John Chrystostom, Cyril of Alexandria etc. ? While you may not agree with all aspects of PSA, it's obvious that Christ did take the punishment for sin (Isiah 53 to name one very obvious passage). Further still, I know of several Eastern Orthodox theologians that very much support Substitutionary atonement. Calling it heresy seems to be questionable at best. Where the EOC tends to disagree with PSA is the idea of divine wrath satisfaction. Now that's a different question entirely.

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  10. Alexandre Phaneuf élève

    February 13, 2020 1:24 pm

    This is great and all, but why did Jesus have to suffer. I think that’s the true question.

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  11. Jacob Borregaard

    February 13, 2020 3:47 pm

    Reminds me of a quote from St Paisios: “When we believe in God and have trust in His fatherly providence and concern, then we do not think of ourselves; instead we know that God is aware of our needs and looks after our problems, from the simplest to the most serious one. The only things we must want is to allow God’s love and providence to function for us. When we have this kind of faith and inner disposition, we are able to see God’s miracles––God himself––who is always close to us under all circumstances. In order to experience this we must reject any form of worldly assistance or human hope, and with a pure heart, unhesitatingly and trustfully devote our mind to God. Then the grace of Christ will fill our souls at once.” We must simply trust in God’s providence, that is why the Orthodox sacraments are called mysteries. We don’t need to have a scientific description of how we are saved, we must just have complete faith.

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  12. Mena Farag

    February 13, 2020 6:26 pm

    Great video, as always, Bojan. So glad you're going to make a video on penal substitutionary atonement soon. I hate PSA so much! Hope one day you can make a video about Calvinism and start plucking the TULIP flower too.

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  13. Psychomancer

    February 13, 2020 7:59 pm

    It seem Gods ends up doing this anyways, since no one dies in a total state of sinlessness (or at least not most). Whatever God does not do to us here to make us sinless entirely he must be doing at some point to us between death and the Resurrection into Heaven (where there is presumably no sin). So, I think despite the point in this video the question still remains, albeit asked in perhaps a better way: Why does God not do to us whatever it is he inevitably does to us after death while we are alive?

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  14. pkasb90

    February 13, 2020 10:43 pm

    People living during pre-Christ did not have to believe in some Son of God who died for their sins. God then was able to forgive easily for those generations.

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  15. Bert Clayton

    February 14, 2020 5:25 am

    If anyone ever reads the Bible, you'll see he has the same feelings as we do. Both masculine and feminine way of thinking. I mean it's identical.
    But as CS Lewis chronicles of NarniA, it's suggested there's like universal laws that have to be observed or we can get damned.
    But as The Orthodox says in a hymn, Christ came and trampled down death by death. Otherwords when he died he decenfed to hell and did whatever. But then he was resurrected, thus by his death he conquered death and by his resurrection he surely conquered death.
    As Adam brought death into the world, Jesus took it out. Trampling down death by death and upon those in the grave. Bestowing life. Otherwords, I understand that to mean all those who died before had life bestowed on them. I think the Bible says graves were opened and the dead walked or something.
    Forget original sin, it's catchy but not Orthodox.

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  16. Maxim Charles

    February 14, 2020 3:53 pm

    A priest once told me that it is because He can't interfere with our free will. He wants us to seek Him first. You'd think mankind would be grateful for this. Our fallen nature prevents us from fully appreciating this. If we didn't have free will and He just did whatever He wanted to with us, controlling us like game pieces, we would complain about that, too.

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  17. Sage Seraph 315

    February 14, 2020 4:22 pm

    I think it’s also worth noting that since God is all good he desires justice as well as mercy. If God just forgave us, all the evils of murder and adultery and idolatry would go unpunished. God is just and so he gives the just penalty for those things to humanity on the cross. Christ became a man to take on himself the wrath of God for our sin. This is taught very explicitly in Isaiah 53.

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  18. miloradvlaovic

    February 14, 2020 6:49 pm

    I don't know if G'd needed to (he certainly did not have to considering how this verb is used in English) to descend and become flesh, but in doing so, He proved even further what he never had to. That's that He, The literally omnipotent being, the Beginning and the End of every-single-thing from the Higgs boson to the largest galaxies, didn't mind leveling with His own creation, experiencing directly what we experience (pain and death) , and defeating adversities from our own pwny level, so that through Him we could do the same.
    He's not a condescending, or privileged, he's walked in our nasty boots so we could fly on his cloud.

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